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Steering Group #2: The Process Meeting #2: September 8, 2003
ATTENDEES (This list may have missed one or two, who didn’t have a chance to sign the sign-in sheet)
Alicia Harrison Andy Caldwell Anita Hodosy Anne Almy Berto von Veen Catherine Dunbar David Ward Florence Trotter-Cadena Jack Boysen Jessica Kinnahan Lanny Stableford Laurel Perez Mark Manion Nick Foster Paul Poirer Peter Lawson Robin Brady Tom Frutchey Trevor Estlow
AGENDA · Introduction of Members · Recap of Kickoff Meeting · Coordination · Ministerial vs Discretionary · Key Areas to Focus On
ISSUES/CONCERNS · North County intake different from South County · Difficulty of determining conformance with policies/ordinances · True list of ministerial permits vs discretionary · How to make our systems simpler · Conflict between comprehensive plan and community plans · Policies in community plans being applied generally, e.g., Toro Canyon Creek setbacks · Further complication added by internal, administerial policies · Community plans have policies that are too complex; only comprehensive planners understand them; they then enter into the permitting process making judgments and further complicating the review · Same problems year after year (one productive activity may be to go back and review prior analyses) · Clear, easy to implement ordinances; we don't need so many additional staff policy papers and interpretations · We don't have checklists of criteria, consistent format (include COPs) · Any interpretations (e.g. tree grading and slope determination) should go to the BoS · The trade-offs of countywide versus community-specific ordinances and policies; minimum standards (e.g. Santa Ynez grading) · We need countywide objective-criteria based approach to key issues relating to ministerial permits, for countywide needs (e.g., agriculture) · Standards for residential (e.g. slope) development are different from those for agriculture · GPACs should not be impacting countywide standards and zoning · We should pull resource protection policies out of community plans and use the appropriate General Plan element · Complexity due in part to overlays of federal/California/county requirements. For example, why should the county have its own Tiger Salamander protection policies where the feds and state already have theirs? · Resource protection is trumping ordinances · There is a disconnect between Comp and Dev Rev (e.g., in small communities it's the same person, so the community's vision and goals are consistently supported by permitters) · There is enough discretion that applicants who object are being penalized · Review the process flow chart (the "you can't make chicken soup with chicken s---" analogy) · We need better coordination with Board of Supervisors · Option: "Ministerial" => "Administrative" - Remove discretionary and the findings - Without creating third category · Case processing problems: - Transfers of planners - No accountability - No time limit adhered to - Changing interpretations · The system and its components have to work for the contractor, s/he needs to know if a project is permitted. One option: turn over plans by licensed architects to Building and Safety · Not legal or fair for BoS to delegate its discretion to staff · Bare minimum criteria · Benchmark · Zoning Ordinance definitions of what should be ministerial · Order of required approvals: Dev Rev => B&S => PW Roads => EHS · Intake log
NEXT STEPS/AREAS OF INITIAL FOCUS · Review the process flow chart (Jack, Tom) · The ordinances and policies that we have to work with in designing the process (Paul) · Bare minimum criteria (Mark, Anne) · Benchmark (Dave, Laurel) · Accela categorization of current permits, if needed (Florence) · Zoning Ordinance definitions of what should be ministerial (Jessica, Trevor) · Order of required approvals (Laurel/Peter L./Cathy) Dev Rev => B&S => PW Roads => EHS ·
Intake log (Florence/Petra/Paul)
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